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	<description>it's not pearlite or martensite.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll 2 by Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, in my view acicular ferrite is a type of bainite. The difference being that it is nucleated from oxides and inclusions within the weld pool. See the paper by Suresh Babu and Bhadeshia you can find on the phase transformations website http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/phase-trans/abstracts/babuacic.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, in my view acicular ferrite is a type of bainite. The difference being that it is nucleated from oxides and inclusions within the weld pool. See the paper by Suresh Babu and Bhadeshia you can find on the phase transformations website <a href="http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/phase-trans/abstracts/babuacic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/phase-trans/abstracts/babuacic.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Computer tells jokes by Harry</title>
		<link>http://bainite.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/computer-tells-jokes/#comment-10133</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple computers have been able to tell jokes for a long time. Here is one of them:

Knock Knock
who&#039;s there?
Thea
Thea who?
Thea later, alligator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple computers have been able to tell jokes for a long time. Here is one of them:</p>
<p>Knock Knock<br />
who&#8217;s there?<br />
Thea<br />
Thea who?<br />
Thea later, alligator</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll 2 by Tapasvi</title>
		<link>http://bainite.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/steel-poll-2/#comment-10132</link>
		<dc:creator>Tapasvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you have missed acicular ferrite....I work on welds so acicular ferrite is what  one prefers here....toughness matters. 
If you want strength....a mixture of bainite and martensite has very good strength and decent elongation. (Look for &#039;flash processing of steel&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you have missed acicular ferrite&#8230;.I work on welds so acicular ferrite is what  one prefers here&#8230;.toughness matters.<br />
If you want strength&#8230;.a mixture of bainite and martensite has very good strength and decent elongation. (Look for &#8216;flash processing of steel&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Guns, Germs, and Steel by azurdee</title>
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		<dc:creator>azurdee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is so weird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is so weird</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll 2 by Saurabh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saurabh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for austenite. I always think I can do so much with this phase and so much we do not know about it. It is almost always &quot;very hot&quot; and very tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for austenite. I always think I can do so much with this phase and so much we do not know about it. It is almost always &#8220;very hot&#8221; and very tough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Physics experiments to get more and more dangerous by Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LHC is back up and running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LHC is back up and running.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll 2 by Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allotriomorphic ferrite is the dominant constituent in the 1.3 billions of tonnes of steel produced annually. It is by far the most useful of phases in this respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allotriomorphic ferrite is the dominant constituent in the 1.3 billions of tonnes of steel produced annually. It is by far the most useful of phases in this respect.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Installing gnuplot on Windows by Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found an alternative way which also works, installing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cygwin.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cygwin&lt;/a&gt;. Cygwin allows you to have a bash shell on windows, and also enables x11 protocal for drawing xwindows. On top of the base install, in the setup, you can select gnuplot, gcc c compiler, as well as fortran compilers g77 and gfortran, as well as lots of other GPL/free software goodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found an alternative way which also works, installing <a href="http://www.cygwin.com/" rel="nofollow">cygwin</a>. Cygwin allows you to have a bash shell on windows, and also enables x11 protocal for drawing xwindows. On top of the base install, in the setup, you can select gnuplot, gcc c compiler, as well as fortran compilers g77 and gfortran, as well as lots of other GPL/free software goodies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll 2 by Abi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, this is better!

I&#039;m with you Mathew -- bainite rocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, this is better!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you Mathew &#8212; bainite rocks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll by jianguo yang</title>
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		<dc:creator>jianguo yang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what arpan said:Austenite is the origin.hehe.so......</description>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll 2 by Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again I voted for Bainite. Bainite is the best constituent in steel because it gives the most scope to tailor the properties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again I voted for Bainite. Bainite is the best constituent in steel because it gives the most scope to tailor the properties.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll by Ashwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should not include pearlite as a phase, since it is a mixture of two phases ferrite+cementite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should not include pearlite as a phase, since it is a mixture of two phases ferrite+cementite.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll by arpan</title>
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		<dc:creator>arpan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Austenite is the origin.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll by mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say in that bainite and pearlite are physically disinguishable that they can be called phases. 

Obviously they are not equilbrium phases, and cannot be represented on the equilbrium phase diagram. (or are they?)

We have to acknowledge that if we look in higher resolution at the pearlite phase we can see that it is an intimate mixture of ferrite and cementite. However it&#039;s properties as a mixture are distinct. I don&#039;t think we lose anything by thinking of pearlite as a phase of it&#039;s own. 

Similarly if we look as bainite we can see it is an intimate mixture of ferrite and austenite (in carbide free bainite) or ferrite and cementite.

We could justify that pearlite and bainite are represented on the equilibrium phase diagram in the ferrite + cementite phase region. Similarly any other microstructure that forms we could think of as a metastable phase. For example is high carbon martensite, is this a phase? Is it the same as BCC ferrite?

Thanks for question.

&quot;What would Gibbs&quot; say can become the new &quot;what would Jesus say&quot; or &quot;what would Feynman say&quot;.

If I had phrased the question which microstructure is the best I would run into the trouble of mixed microstructures, I guess I can avoid these problems by using the word constituent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say in that bainite and pearlite are physically disinguishable that they can be called phases. </p>
<p>Obviously they are not equilbrium phases, and cannot be represented on the equilbrium phase diagram. (or are they?)</p>
<p>We have to acknowledge that if we look in higher resolution at the pearlite phase we can see that it is an intimate mixture of ferrite and cementite. However it&#8217;s properties as a mixture are distinct. I don&#8217;t think we lose anything by thinking of pearlite as a phase of it&#8217;s own. </p>
<p>Similarly if we look as bainite we can see it is an intimate mixture of ferrite and austenite (in carbide free bainite) or ferrite and cementite.</p>
<p>We could justify that pearlite and bainite are represented on the equilibrium phase diagram in the ferrite + cementite phase region. Similarly any other microstructure that forms we could think of as a metastable phase. For example is high carbon martensite, is this a phase? Is it the same as BCC ferrite?</p>
<p>Thanks for question.</p>
<p>&#8220;What would Gibbs&#8221; say can become the new &#8220;what would Jesus say&#8221; or &#8220;what would Feynman say&#8221;.</p>
<p>If I had phrased the question which microstructure is the best I would run into the trouble of mixed microstructures, I guess I can avoid these problems by using the word constituent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll by Abi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From your blog&#039;s name, we know you really like bainite. But, is bainite really a &quot;phase&quot;? Is pearlite also a &quot;phase&quot;? 

What would Gibbs say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your blog&#8217;s name, we know you really like bainite. But, is bainite really a &#8220;phase&#8221;? Is pearlite also a &#8220;phase&#8221;? </p>
<p>What would Gibbs say?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Steel Poll by Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for Bainite. Bainite is the best phase in steel because it gives the most scope to tailor the properties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for Bainite. Bainite is the best phase in steel because it gives the most scope to tailor the properties.</p>
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		<title>Comment on View crystal structures by PACCHI</title>
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		<dc:creator>PACCHI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI,THIS IS NICE AND I HAVE INSPIRATED FROM THIS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI,THIS IS NICE AND I HAVE INSPIRATED FROM THIS.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some effects of Alloying elements in Steel by Jekyll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jekyll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi sir,
        this topic is very important as for some working with materials has to know thier properties and the effect so as to know which is suitable for the job.I am very greatful to see such a topic like this on line.
Thanks for the  lesson and i will always see in to the future of this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi sir,<br />
        this topic is very important as for some working with materials has to know thier properties and the effect so as to know which is suitable for the job.I am very greatful to see such a topic like this on line.<br />
Thanks for the  lesson and i will always see in to the future of this site.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Carbon in steels &#8211; near equilibrium structures. by Mathew Peet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Peet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bruce, I wouldn&#039;t say that this makes them non-useful. However if we want to avoid the low toughness we need to avoid forming these networks. I believe I read that this can be done by deformation at high temperature, if this can be done to cause the cementite as to be present as spheroids. High deformation will cause large nucleation rate of cementite and if there is enough sites this will prevent the formation of the cementite films on the grain boundaries.

Unfortunately I can&#039;t remember the reference for the above. I think there may be by a paper with David Edmonds of the University of Leeds as one of the authors.

Alternatives which might work in theory would be to try to refine as much as possible the austenite grain size or to try to allow the cementite to globalise, i.e. by show heating up to the austenitisation temperature, which would not be sufficient to completely dissolve the cementite.

I don&#039;t believe that silicon will suppress the formation of cementite at high temperatures, it may in fact promote the formation of cementite (at high temperatures).

This can be shown by thermodynamic calculations.

Fast cooling from fully austenite may be one way to avoid cementite formation (or at least growth of large particles). However formation on g.b.s will be very fast.

Another way is very short austenitising heat treatments with rapid heating. This can be seen in the flash bainite process (http://www.bainitesteel.com/) you might find a paper by Suersh Babu that deals with this.

Sorry I don&#039;t know the proper references about this I can only give a clue for the time being.

If you have luxury of changing the composition you could try shifting the eutectoid to higher carbon contents. Of other alloying to lower the cementite stability (this usually means removing alloying elements).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bruce, I wouldn&#8217;t say that this makes them non-useful. However if we want to avoid the low toughness we need to avoid forming these networks. I believe I read that this can be done by deformation at high temperature, if this can be done to cause the cementite as to be present as spheroids. High deformation will cause large nucleation rate of cementite and if there is enough sites this will prevent the formation of the cementite films on the grain boundaries.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I can&#8217;t remember the reference for the above. I think there may be by a paper with David Edmonds of the University of Leeds as one of the authors.</p>
<p>Alternatives which might work in theory would be to try to refine as much as possible the austenite grain size or to try to allow the cementite to globalise, i.e. by show heating up to the austenitisation temperature, which would not be sufficient to completely dissolve the cementite.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that silicon will suppress the formation of cementite at high temperatures, it may in fact promote the formation of cementite (at high temperatures).</p>
<p>This can be shown by thermodynamic calculations.</p>
<p>Fast cooling from fully austenite may be one way to avoid cementite formation (or at least growth of large particles). However formation on g.b.s will be very fast.</p>
<p>Another way is very short austenitising heat treatments with rapid heating. This can be seen in the flash bainite process (<a href="http://www.bainitesteel.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bainitesteel.com/</a>) you might find a paper by Suersh Babu that deals with this.</p>
<p>Sorry I don&#8217;t know the proper references about this I can only give a clue for the time being.</p>
<p>If you have luxury of changing the composition you could try shifting the eutectoid to higher carbon contents. Of other alloying to lower the cementite stability (this usually means removing alloying elements).</p>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Bramfitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypereutectoid steels are not useful due to the formation of brittle proeutectoid cementite networks that form at the prior austenite grain boundaries.  However, adding high levels of silicon can suppress the formation of these networks.  How does silicon do this, i.e., what is the mechanism?  Is there a carbon- silicon ratio that can tell me how much silicon to add to the steel to minimize these continuous networks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypereutectoid steels are not useful due to the formation of brittle proeutectoid cementite networks that form at the prior austenite grain boundaries.  However, adding high levels of silicon can suppress the formation of these networks.  How does silicon do this, i.e., what is the mechanism?  Is there a carbon- silicon ratio that can tell me how much silicon to add to the steel to minimize these continuous networks?</p>
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